Monday, June 25, 2012

Best Self Defense Cartridge?

We came across this YouTube video and thought it was humorous and thought provoking - let me know what you think!


  1. I really liked that video! His comments made sense to me.

  2. I like this guy and his video. He made some good points, and it's humorous enough to watch over and over. Plus, I agree with him on the shotgun. The .22 makes sense, but I think I'm still going to stick with my .38 spl

  3. Agree.
    The most important factor is being able to stop your opponent is being able to hit your opponent and to do that you need to practice.
    To practice most people need to not feel like they're spending a fortune (.22 is cheap) and they need to still be able to use their hand afterwards (.22 has minimal recoil to hurt your hand/wrist).

    And if someone starts shooting at me I'm going to seriously consider a tactical withdrawal irrespective of what rounds they're using.

  4. A friend, who is an ER doc, said he would much rather have a patient come in with a higher caliber injury than a .22. He said the .22 acts like a ping pong ball, bouncing around inside creating a hard to trace trail of damage inside, instead of an easy to spot entrance and exit wound like a larger caliber.

  5. There is a youtube video called - "How far will a 22LR kill?"
    Also some very good information.
    I stand behind both my Ruger .22s - hand and rifle. I'm on the petite side and there is no recoil to interfere with my targeting as with my 9mm.

  6. LOVE IT! It's been a 15+ year debate between hubby and I. He insists large caliber, I insist that if the recoil makes it impossible for me to hit a target large caliber is not a great option. HA-HA - sending on! :o)

  7. The US Army went through more research on this issue than you could read in several months. The conclusion was that caliber matters. The end result was the .45ACP being adopted for military use and the .38 Spl retired from use.

    WHY??? Simply because soldiers died often in spite of emptying their .38 Spl into attackers during the Philippine Insurrection at the turn of the last century.

    In spite of well documented exhaustive research into this issue, armchair warriors continue to debate this a hundred years later. Thanks, but no thanks. I will stick to a primary caliber of .45 ACP, PROVEN in combat in multiple wars.

    Training is the issue in every case. Limited training, limited results. Yes .45 ACP is expensive, BUT you need to answer the question, What is Your Life Worth?


    1. Winston, I'm sure that for a *military* 22LR isn't the correct choice. But we're not talking about a stand-up war between two fully outfitted and trained groups. Soldiers wear body-armour, raiders/looters/gremlins generally don't.

  8. This is pertinent information for someone who is not strong enough to control a larger caliber weapon. Such as a female, with limited hand and arm muscle. The .22 ammo is cheap and thus the weapon can be used in practice much more often. This negates the larger caliber arms that sit until they are needed. In my opinion this is a great option for someone on a limited budget or smaller capacity for recoil.
    Thanks for a great blog.

  9. The .22 for years has had the record and reputation of being the most devastating round to enter the human body. I have never seen anybody knocked down or back by any round large or small caliber, dropped like a sack of taters you bet. The .45 was designed as a one shot one kill round for very close quarter combat, if you can shoot the weapon accurately its you round. The S.A.S. many years ago droped the .45 and went with the 9mm and quickly had to develop the double tap to achieve the effect of the .45, again constant practice to maintain the weapon on target. Give me the .22 any day. Small, lightweight with little to no recoil and with the ability of any user who practices very little to deliver an effective triple tap to get the job done. Great video.

  10. The .22 is the close up assassins' caliber of choice. Small, quiet, lightweight, effective. One shot at the base of the skull and the party is over.

    Same goes for domestic livestock slaughter and butchering. One shot between the eyes and you're ready for the skinning knife.

    So, if I was going to carry a .22, I would train to shoot right between the eyes. Someone who intends to do your harm will keep coming (as numerous case studies have proven) even with larger calibers, especially if that person is high on meth or bath salts or some other drug. I mean it took 6 (six!) shots for the police to stop the cannibal in Flordia from continuing to eat his LIVE human meal!

  11. Definitely take this a huge grain of salt. Train with a .22, yep. Use it from a position of stealth, yep. Use it in a standup fight, definitely not.

    People don't always drop dead like on the television or immediately run away. Someone shot with a .22 may very well finish you off prior to expiring. If it was so good a military, any military, would use it.


  12. I would say yes you can miss with a shotgun. You still need to aim and practice. To me it is a very short range weapon. I would rather the ladies and smaller folks use a 20 gauge.Almost a 12, but less recoil for follow up shots.

    Yes, the .22 does damage if it can get to the bad guy, Heavy clothing can stop / deflect a .22 as well as car doors ,walls ect.

    I might bump up to a 22 mag. or .17 cal, for a little more power. I don't remember the make, but I shot a 22 mag and I believe it had a 30 round clip.
    I like that, good for wolf packs and dog packs and thugs.

    What do I use, as a police office I used the 357 mag, 40 cal and 45 cal. Depends on the weather ,heavy coats or not,do we know if they are armed and dangerous and how well can I shoot the weapon I have with me. Most times I have two weapons and a knife.It also depends on Department Policy what you carry. 9mm hardball will get you and the bystander killed.

    As a soldier, D.O.D. S.F. infantry/medic/grunt/contractor retired in 2010 I have 40 years of running into places most good folks are trying to get out of, I carry a .40 glock. Weapon always works, .40 is as good as a .45 and it comes with more rounds in the mag.

    Here in North Idaho, I pack a .44 mag and a 45/70 carbine. Up here you may get only one shot. It needs to stop the critter that wants you for dinner.

    Best advice, learn to shoot what you have,and make sure it goes bang everytime you pull the trigger.

    Be Sage/Be Prepared/ Be Prayerful/ Be Thankful


  13. I can see his point. If you have someone who can't shoot multiple rounds accurately because of recoil, then I would rather have them bang away with a 22 that they could keep on target. I'm a female who can handle recoil fairly well, but I have to practice to keep strength up. I have been negligent in that area recently (due to ammo cost) and is shows -- not to the point of peril, but surprising none the less.

    I do have a 380 that I carry. But while they say its a "smaller caliber" its also in a smaller gun and barks more than my 45.

  14. We need to remember that we're not comparing 1 .45 ACP round vs 1 .22LR round.
    Based on cost and weight we're comparing 1 * .45 ACP round vs 6 * .22LR rounds.
    Sure there are things that a round of .22 can't do that .45 can.
    But there are also lots of things that 1 .45 can't do that 6 rounds of .22 can (like hit 6 separate targets)

  15. I train often with both .22 and larger caliper pistols. While my daily carry is the larger caliper, I would feel very safe with the .22 pistol. The smaller recoil definitely aids subsequent rapidity and accuracy, and the .22 has the advantage of a larger magazine capacity.

    Sadly I have seen many women and smaller persons stop shooting because they were unable to feel comfortable with large caliber handguns, which were often ‘pushed on them’ by persons much larger and experienced.
    Montana Guy

  16. Great video. I also really enjoyed the "How far will a 22 LR kill" video suggested in one of the comments above.

    To the commenter who likes the .45 ACP, I agree... for me. It's what I prefer, and enjoy most. Some years ago, as one of uncle sam's misguided children, I trained extensively with the 9mm pistol, the .308 rifle, and the 5.56 rifle.

    It is my opinion (and it's worth what you paid me for it ;-) ) that the "best gun" for self defence is the one with which you can accurately and reliably hit the target.

    Even more important, is a willingness to pull the trigger. Without that, you're better off sticking with pepper spray.

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  17. The .22 is good for those who are just beginning to prep or learning to use firearms like our family. Our child is 4 and want to start her on a .22 because of the recoil factor, noise level, etc. Also the ammo is cheap and plentiful which makes it perfect choice for us.

    It's also ideal for those of us with little income, you know who you are, the actual middle class who make less than 35K a year (with a wife at home with the kids) and can't afford a 500K 50+ acre hidden retreat somewhere far far away with a running stream, gravity fed water catchment system, complete solar package, large gun cache and like minded families ready to defend said compound/retreat...which is so often recommended in survival literature.

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